Friday, November 14, 2008

Numbers I find interesting...

CompAtt%YPATD INTRating
Matt Cassel (proj)







Anyone want to guess the mystery QB whose stats are listed below Cassel's? It's interesting. That's all I'm saying.

I also forgot to post the yardage totals:

3911 (Cassel projected)

Demond Sanders: Could it be this animal lover?


Robert I. said...


Anonymous said...

It is Tom Tom Brady.

He covered 07 or it'd have been obvious

Deshawn Zombie said...

NO! Robert! It couldn't be Tom Brady. Tom Brady is one of the greatest QBs of all time! He's the man who made the Patriots champions! Matt Cassel is a guy who hasn't started since high school.

Those numbers couldn't possibly be Tom Brady's!

Anonymous said...

Ah sarcasm. Of course, it's also hard to tell that that's Tommy boy because it doesn't have 2001 Won Super Bowl 2003 Won Super Bowl 2004 Won Super Bowl as the stat lines.

Shake'n'bake said...

Tom Brady is actually capable of using Randy Moss though. See the craziness of 2007.

Anonymous said...

Tommy's four knee surgeries has bill a little guy shy about letting Cassel stand back there for an extended period of time, despite having Randy Moss.

Maybe Bill's hoping that if this year, Randy is getting piledriven into the ground the latter half of the year for running it up on teams early, they'll get number 4.

Deshawn Zombie said...

Yeah, funny how Tom Brady single handedly won all those Super Bowls while posting the exact same numbers (almost...he wasn't quite as good) as a no name scrub who couldn't start for his college team.

Brady also had some other better players around him last year, and teams slowly figured out how to play Moss again as the year went on.

If the Pats don't win it all this year, it won't be because Brady got hurt. It will be because their defense isn't good enough. Their QB play is basically the same or better as they had throughout their entire run.

Deshawn Zombie said...

My dream by the way, is to start the irrational Cassel/Brady thread on FO.

Shake'n'bake said...

In fairness to Cassel he sat behind a #1 and #10 overall draft picks.

Shake'n'bake said...

both of whom may have won one of these

Anonymous said...

Tom Brady is not quite as good as Kurt Warner. When Warner has good protection and open receivers, he's much better. Neither is very good when the pass pro breaks down, but Warner's production falls even more.

Deshawn Zombie said...

Good point, Shake. I apologize. Matt Cassel's pedigree is every bit as good as Tom Brady's.

Yeah, the Brady/Warner thread...that would be a good one too!

Anonymous said...

The only huge difference between Brady and Warner is that Kurt's generally as much a TO machine as he is a TD machine.

See the Jets pasting of Arizona.

Anonymous said...

As much as the announcers want to smirk about Cassel starting while Palmer's hurt and Leinart is benched, they also don't mention how his ability to play had absolutely nothing to do with him getting the NE job.

Demond Sanders said...

I think the Colts would be 1-8 if Manning was out for the season.

Anyone care to dispute this?

Anonymous said...

The only game I see us winning is the Houston game if they collapse again. Maybe the Ravens, but Peyton's passing had as much to do with that as the defense did.

Locking at NE march on without Brady makes you realize just how much more valuable Peyton is to the Colts than Brady is to the Pats.

peytonsthebest said...

That is GREAT!

"Where the men are men and the sheep (lamb) are scared"...

heh heh heh

Shake'n'bake said...

Warner is actually on pace for his lowest fumbles per game since his glory with the Rams and once he got out of Martz's high risk-high reward scheme he hasn't thrown many INTs.

Jeremy said...

So Matt Cassell throwing to Moss and Welker is as good as Brady throwing to Brown, Caldwell, Branch, Givens, Patten, etc.

I agree, Brady gets more credit for winning super bowls than Manning gets for being an excellent quarterback. That doesn't mean that Brady isn't a great quarterback.

Numbers I find interesting:

Years after eligibility before hall of fame induction:
Manning - 0
Brady - 0
Dungy - 0
Belichick - 0

Some situational stats to look at (Completion %, YPA, TD/Game, INT/Game, Rating) :

Close & Late
QB1 - 60.9, 7.8, .33, .24, 87.2
QB2 - 63.6, 7.3, .31, .21, 87.7
QB3 - 61.5, 6.3, .25, .13, 84.5

In Win
QB1 - 64.6, 7.7, 1.95, .53, 101.3
QB2 - 66.3, 8.0, 2.09, .61, 104.6
QB3 - 68.4, 7.6, 0.40, .33, 90.2

QB1 - 64.1, 7.4, 1.50, .93, 89.7
QB2 - 63.6, 7.3, 1.68, .99, 89.9
QB3 - 64.1, 7.6, 1.40, .60, 94.3

Take your pick. They are all pretty similar.

jc said...


50 TD's.

Before last year he never had a Marvin or a Reggie or anything close.

He had bums, save for #80.

You really can't say shit about that without looking ridiculous.

jc said...

Oh....and most comeback wins in the 4th quarter or overtime since 2001.


Anonymous said...

How many more offensive minutes did he need to get to 50 than PM used getting to 49?

jc said...

C'mon man.

That's such an 18to88 hater thing to say. Typical.

How many offensive minutes did Jethro need to break Marino's record?

You research that shit....then come back to me and I'll answer your question.

Deshawn Zombie said...

Well he did it in nearly 70 fewer attempts. It's hard to trace for sure, but it appears that Marino sat out a maximum of three quarters of play. Miami backup QB Don Strock had 6 attempted passes on the year. Colts backup Jim Sorgi had 29 that season.

Manning sat out 6 quarters over the course of the season. But he broke Marino's record in the 15th game. So, assuming Marino 61 quarters (16 games minus three possible quarters he could have sat out), Manning broke his record in 57 quarters. In other one full game less than Marino did it. Brady broke the record in 64 quarters, playing nearly two full games more than Manning did in 04.

At any rate, the post isn't about Brady v Manning. It's about Brady v Matt Cassel who despite being derided by Pats fans all season, is having exactly the kind of season Pats fans loved Brady for.

There are SoS differences for sure, but you can't say those numbers aren't virtually identical (if not better for Cassel).

I find it fascinating, that's all.

jc said...


Deshawn Zombie said...

As long as people are bringing things that aren't germane to the topic at hand:
As far as 4th quarter comebacks go, until last year Brady had NEVER lead a TD drive in the last two minutes to win a game. Comebacks are great when you have AV to boot game winners.

JC said...


I can name two off the top of my head.

Denver in 2003 - hit Givens with seconds left at the pylon.

@ Chicago 2002, hits Patten in the back of the endzone.

Bomb to Troy Brown to beat Miami in OT in 03 or 04.

Umm...San Diego his rookie (01) year he lead two drives in the last 3 minutes to beat the Flutie Chargers, one for a touch and one a chipshot FG. I don't remember which came first.

Keep reachin's fun to watch.

Like I said: You have Jeter Derangement Syndrome.

You can't stand the pretty boy with more championships and a TD record so you go to the depths of the web to discredit him.

As a Red Sox fan, we played this game from the other side with Nomar and Jeter all throughout the 90's.

Deshawn Zombie said...

I'm sorry...I misspoke. He had never had a COME FROM BEHIND TD before that one.

I wrote the word comeback, but it wasn't clear.

CBS quoted the stat with about 1 minute to play in the AFC Championship game in 06. Right before Brady threw a pick.

jc said...

Well that's still wrong.

Look it up.

Deshawn Zombie said...

Wow. I stand corrected. That's really weird.

Now, I have to admit that I'm a bit confused as to what the point of the stat may have been. I checked the DVD of the game, but it's edited. Brady has no playoff winning TD drives in the 4th quarter?

Does that sound right?

I apologize.

Anonymous said...

I know what you mean now.

Never came from behind in a PLAYOFF game.

But he never really had to except Indy when we got the ball back with like 53 seconds and no TO's and raucus crowd, and the NYG where he scored.


Deshawn Zombie said...

Thanks. I knew I wasn't completely crazy.

I can't believe I messed that stat up.

I'm getting old.

32 is the new 76.

Anonymous said...

Anyone who fails to account for pass pro when comparing QBs is a fool. Brady, in 2007, had phenomenal pass pro. [Dick Vermeil was watching game tape for a TV show and couldn't quit marveling at how amazing the NE pass pro was.) In 2004, the Colts had 3 off line starters go down with injury after losing another starter to free agency. The last half of the season the Colts were starting two rookies, a 5th round pick and an undrafted rook who'd been cut by another team before the Colts signed him in desperation.


Deshawn Zombie said...

BTW: I did succeed in starting the irrational Brady/Cassel thread on CHFF.

It's sort of hilarious how angry people get about numbers.