tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post4174684645273827608..comments2023-08-07T08:26:42.019-04:00Comments on 18 to 88: Shoot the messengerDemond Sandershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02321360642491061693noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-10305828682120758512008-01-28T17:47:00.000-03:002008-01-28T17:47:00.000-03:00Comment moderation has temporarily been enabled in...Comment moderation has temporarily been enabled in this blog. <BR/><BR/>This is our blog. People can write us emails with whatever horrible crap they want, but when it comes to what is public, there are things we won't even tacitly endorse. KDA crossed that line without even considering what his comments might imply or how they would affect others. Somethings don't deserve to read. We tolerate dissent pretty well around here, but what was written was hateful toward a lot of parents who have suffered deeply. It went beyond football and this debate, to mock and insult wounded people. I won't stand for it.Deshawn Zombiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12953118295688192978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-28338989224316098052008-01-28T17:41:00.000-03:002008-01-28T17:41:00.000-03:00You aren't welcome here. Your points are neither:...You aren't welcome here. Your points are neither:<BR/><BR/>a. valid<BR/>b. constructive<BR/>c. interesting<BR/>d. funny<BR/><BR/>I'll take any of the above. Since you are incable of meeting the criteria, you can post somewhere else.Deshawn Zombiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12953118295688192978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-80230290854570376292008-01-28T17:37:00.000-03:002008-01-28T17:37:00.000-03:00Actually he is. Think it over it is self evident ...Actually he is. Think it over it is self evident why he is a BAD father.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-86900478688010236752008-01-28T17:36:00.000-03:002008-01-28T17:36:00.000-03:00He's not as bad a dad as you are person.He's not as bad a dad as you are person.Deshawn Zombiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12953118295688192978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-42095942037572987912008-01-28T17:35:00.001-03:002008-01-28T17:35:00.001-03:00Don't worry Deshawn keep praying I am sure that wi...Don't worry Deshawn keep praying I am sure that will get you over the fact your coach is a bad dad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-11553130023155514002008-01-28T17:35:00.000-03:002008-01-28T17:35:00.000-03:00Don't worry Deshawn keep praying I am sure that wi...Don't worry Deshawn keep praying I am sure that will get you over the fact your coach is a bad dad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-75809612459462780622008-01-28T17:34:00.000-03:002008-01-28T17:34:00.000-03:00Keep posting, I'll keep deleting it. If you want ...Keep posting, I'll keep deleting it. If you want to know why, send me your email address and I'll respond to you privately. 18to88@gmail.com.Deshawn Zombiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12953118295688192978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-46882640200720475492008-01-28T17:31:00.000-03:002008-01-28T17:31:00.000-03:00I debated responding to that last comment. Instea...I debated responding to that last comment. Instead I'm deleting it.Deshawn Zombiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12953118295688192978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-25317716769220584412008-01-28T17:27:00.000-03:002008-01-28T17:27:00.000-03:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-48017868664789430582008-01-24T02:15:00.000-03:002008-01-24T02:15:00.000-03:00Ha! Stan, you just made my day. Hilarious post, my...Ha! Stan, you just made my day. Hilarious post, my friend!coltsfanawalthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986863419923381742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-73497217121430263412008-01-23T18:40:00.000-03:002008-01-23T18:40:00.000-03:00I'm pretty sure that Tony D is a better father tha...I'm pretty sure that Tony D is a better father than Tom Brady.<BR/><BR/>StanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-28659790361348174942008-01-22T20:31:00.000-03:002008-01-22T20:31:00.000-03:00I have to agree with Bob M. The All-Pro Dad campa...I have to agree with Bob M. The All-Pro Dad campaign is focused on trying to reach dads who are otherwise basically just sperm donors. It's aimed at getting men who generally avoid their kids (or any responsibility for them) to own up to their responsibility and become better, more-involved fathers (and to realize the benefits of doing so). There are a lot of ugly statistics surrounding inner-city fathers' (especially black fathers')involvement in their kids' lives. All-Pro Dad is one of many programs aimed at encouraging those and other dads to be involved in their kids' lives for both the kids' betterment and for the dads' as well. There's definitely a huge gap between the guy who avoids his kids on purpose (to avoid having to pay for them, to avoid any sort of responsibility, to avoid his ex-wife/girlfriend/whatever) and Tony Dungy being temporarily separated from his kids with his capabilities.<BR/><BR/>Something else to consider? Do you know how many hours a head football coach puts in during the season? It's nuts. And not just a little nuts. 80 hours? 100 hours? More? Yup. This is not a guy who probably gets to be around his family as much as he'd like during the season anyhow. I'm not sure being this far away will be an enormous change.<BR/><BR/>And it's for a year. One year. Almost certainly no longer than that. It's a compromise for the whole family, certainly, but one that they seem to have considered carefully. I can't imagine that it's easy for anyone to make that sort of decision, and I think it's pretty rough to criticize someone for doing what he and his family have agreed upon as the right course of action. Maybe it will be hard for people to understand, but for me it's simple: his family is happier in Tampa (I'm not sure how, as I like Indy very much, and I have been to Tampa--maybe it's the cold), so they're moving back there as soon as they deem appropriate for their family, and he will join them full-time as soon as he and his family feel the time is right. You can't say he's not a stand-up dad for doing what's right for his family, even if it's hard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-18150862617417561182008-01-22T19:47:00.000-03:002008-01-22T19:47:00.000-03:00I may be mistaken, but all-pro dad is focused on i...I may be mistaken, but all-pro dad is focused on inner city, at-risk youth, right? Big difference between them and the educated, affluent offspring of an edcuated, "grounded" millionaire dad who has proven repeatedly that he puts a high priority on his kids.<BR/>It's like holding a 1984 Yugo and a 2007 Mercedes to the same standards. The Mercedes is a known quantity--you can probaby go 130 MPH if you really have to, or skip an oil change or two... the Yugo? You're taking your life in your hands if you do. It needs more TLC. <BR/>It's not like TD is abandoning his family. I agree that this move opens TD up to some questioning, but sheesh, show some flexibility, jc & Kravitz. <BR/>I imagine if one of these at-risk dads came to TD for advice and said "Hey, I love my kids, but I have this job opportunity that is 1,000 miles away from home. They're better off staying at home, but I think I need to do this for 9 months a year for the next couple years. Then I'm theirs full-time. (Plus I'll bank enough in the next two years to pay for college for the next seven generations of progeny)." <BR/>What would Tony say? Leaving conversations with a higher power out of this, my best guess is along the lines of "If you think it's best and they think it's best...." This is not a one-size fits all universe, people.<BR/>Questioning him is fine--possibly even required to get further understanding. Calling him a hypocrite is way too harsh.<BR/>I imagine he'd preach "don't take the easy way out" and "do the best thing," which may not always be what others perceive as the best thing. In this case, the Dungies know TD best and if he retired today it might be the "easy way out" and he might have this ember burning in him the next ten years to get back into the game. Maybe they figure let it burn itself out so he can retire and truly "be" with his family and not looking over their shoulders for coaching openings as so many guys do. That's just a for-instance, I have no measure of the reality of their decision-making matrix. Maybe he's still working through the suicide (it's only been 14 months!) and work is the only way they all agree he can face it without breaking down. I have no idea. Sometimes what's best for the kids ALSO HAPPENS TO BE what's best for the parents. Sadly, there's no way to prove it except maybe by waiting 20 years or so.... and in 20 years we'll all have forgotten this tempest in a teapot.Bob M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09868145755330857138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-67475912138382381492008-01-22T17:11:00.000-03:002008-01-22T17:11:00.000-03:00The only thing that's changed from this year to la...The only thing that's changed from this year to last year with Tony Dungy is that he's decided his family is better off living in Tampa than in Indy. That's the change. Coaching the Colts isn't the change. If he decides his family is better off somewhere else for reasons he doesn't care to discuss, that doesn't make him a hypocrite or a bad father. It just means that his life circumstances are really different from the rest of us. It makes it hard to follow his example, sure. But not becuase his example is bad necessarily, it's just too far removed from most of our realites and circumstances to be relevant.<BR/><BR/>It seems that people would have been ok with him forcing his family to stay in Indy so he could coach one more year, but they aren't ok with him moving them to Tampa where they would be happier for whatever reason? Again, the whole story is nothing. The Tampa paper caught wind of some family business and turned it into a bigger story.<BR/><BR/>I'm probably just repeating myself, but I thought that was a clearer way of stating things.Deshawn Zombiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12953118295688192978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-62814075810076597202008-01-22T16:33:00.000-03:002008-01-22T16:33:00.000-03:00DS called you a racist, not me. Get your initials...DS called you a racist, not me. Get your initials right! LOL.<BR/><BR/>There's a big difference between Dungy and Huckabee. Dungy says, this is my life. This how I live. This is what's important to me. He takes stands on issues as a citizen when speaking to a group of people who agreed with him, which is his right. He didn't march around shouting his mind or his beliefs. He was asked to give them. He did. He was begged to write a book. He did. People liked it.<BR/><BR/>Huckabee is trading his faith for votes. That disturbs me greatly. He is asking that his views be adopted as everyone's. I have a problem with that, and with him. I like it when people of faith, share their faith. I don't like when they use it to attain politcal power. <BR/><BR/>Don't throw everyone in the same boat just because they speak the same language. I'm sure lots of people would claim both Dungy and Huckabee, as is their right. I see them as very different kinds of men.Deshawn Zombiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12953118295688192978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-20006524300809398082008-01-22T16:29:00.000-03:002008-01-22T16:29:00.000-03:00And DZ:Your hyperlink the other day read "Non-stor...And DZ:<BR/><BR/>Your hyperlink the other day read "Non-story".<BR/><BR/>You couldn't have been more right.<BR/><BR/>Who cares, everyone knew he wasn't going out like that.<BR/><BR/>- JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-43834352241251314302008-01-22T16:27:00.000-03:002008-01-22T16:27:00.000-03:00Sorry, I meant Demond.Sorry, I meant Demond.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-1373256030937381392008-01-22T16:26:00.000-03:002008-01-22T16:26:00.000-03:00I'm sorry that someone praying about something mak...I'm sorry that someone praying about something makes you sick. <BR/><BR/>I'm really sorry the media got a hold of this story and made it a big deal. <BR/><BR/>The plan always was for him to finish after next year. He made a hard choice for the good of his son to let him change schools early so he didn't have to do it his senior year. He always evaluates after each season what he's going to do. If he hadn't "prayed" and considered next year, and just sent his family down to Tampa a year early, this wouldn't even have been a story. You are calling him a preachy hypocrite for taking time to sit back and consider thoughtfully his actions and what he really wanted to do. I think that is inexplicable.<BR/><BR/>I think Tony's choice weakens not his family, nor his team, but his ability to have others follow his example. That's what makes me uncomfortable. I wish he would live a life that was a little more relevant to the common man, but only because that is a course that he set himself on. I think he's made himself hard to follow on this point. That's too bad.Deshawn Zombiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12953118295688192978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-67547546139539715292008-01-22T16:25:00.000-03:002008-01-22T16:25:00.000-03:00He is ashy! It's not like I made that up. Look a...He is ashy! It's not like I made that up. Look at him, especially in HD.<BR/><BR/>And I'm not raicst DZ.<BR/><BR/>I dislike Dungy for the same reason I dislike Huckabee.<BR/><BR/>I don't like having God thrown in my face.<BR/><BR/>Doesn't mean I don't think he's the best, or second best coach in football. I do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-79302016479858260382008-01-22T16:21:00.000-03:002008-01-22T16:21:00.000-03:00jc has his finger on the pulse of national sentime...jc has his finger on the pulse of national sentiment. <BR/><BR/>That's hilarious because the broad national view of Dungy is that of the classy, cool, calm and collected head coach who has been extremely successful.<BR/><BR/>There is a world outside of NE, and as the Simpsons would say, there is a country in between the West Coast and East Coast that is called America. All of those people like, respect, and admire Dungy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-59425561083380312912008-01-22T16:15:00.000-03:002008-01-22T16:15:00.000-03:00A free pass on what? Tony's a good dude and a Sup...A free pass on what? Tony's a good dude and a Super Bowl champion as a player and coach. <BR/><BR/>You've been anti-Dungy since your first post on this blog. Frankly, you've said more than enough over the past year to prove that you are a racist. Constantly referring to Dungy as "ashy." <BR/><BR/>What's wrong with you? I'm embarrassed to have you as a reader.Demond Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02321360642491061693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-26455873831925328862008-01-22T15:46:00.000-03:002008-01-22T15:46:00.000-03:00Wow. What a dead-on-balls article.I'm not saying ...Wow. What a dead-on-balls article.<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying this as an antagonist, believe me. But the national sentiment about this guy is pretty much what Lenny said.<BR/><BR/>A bible-thumping, preachy hypocrite. He "prayed through it"? Makes me sick.<BR/><BR/>How about he just made a pragmatic, monetarily based decision to come back and coach an uber-talented team? <BR/><BR/>Anyhow - the article was a little aggressive. But to his credit, he asked the toughest questions at the press conference (I heard them asked, didn't know who it was until I read the column) then came correct in the next day's edition.<BR/><BR/>But I'm glad someone went after Dungy. He's gotten a free pass for way too long.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1364482294646808855.post-85332342915032623122008-01-22T11:42:00.000-03:002008-01-22T11:42:00.000-03:00Just read the article and honestly I think Bob is ...Just read the article and honestly I think Bob is a bit of a punk. Classic case of trying to have it both ways, criticizing a man for making a business decision that impacts his family without actually coming out and saying anything of substance. <BR/><BR/>Now, I have issues with Tony about football, namely how his squads have laid giant turds on the field in the playoffs multiple times, but I don't question his devotion to his family.<BR/><BR/>And if Bob does, then he should come out and say it. Enough of this cloak and dagger BS, Kravitz, either say what you think or shut the hell up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com